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Dec. 28th, 2003 02:56 am (UTC)
When it comes to goths, I really have to agree with Maddox here: "I Hate Gothics"
Dec. 28th, 2003 08:54 pm (UTC)
Now that is one very misled individual.

Dec. 28th, 2003 03:01 am (UTC)
Dec. 29th, 2003 01:05 am (UTC)
Did you actually read 'em?
Personally, I think he has a very good point. I've got nothing against Goths, exactly. I don't think they're horrible people. I have Goth friends. Hell, I've been a Goth Vampire for Halloween (it was really easy to pull together on short notice). But as far as I'm concerned, they're exactly the same as all the Abercrombie & Fitch wearing people, because the movement boils down to nothing more than an aesthetic. If I, personally, have to identify myself with a subculture, it would be punk, and coming from a movement that has activist motivations, I tend not to think too highly of those that don't do anything (see especially: emo).
Now, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that Goths can't be activists. But Gothic subculture qua Gothic subculture is not.

And, apologies, but "Goths are generally nice people. They're honest, direct, dependable, and self sufficient. Goths are usually very well educated, and many cases, Goths are the ones that run alot of the stores, and corporations that hire the people that end up slandering them"? Do you realize how incredibly arrogant this sounds?

I think my problem with Goths boils down to two attitude: arrogance and entitlement. On the first: Goths are normal people. They are not any more or less smart, any more or less capable than other people. As for the latter, if you choose to participate in a subculture that clearly differentiates itself from the mainstream, you can't do anything but expect to be treated differently. All you can expect is that people will extend to you the same rights as others. That doesn't mean you should walk down the street and expect that people aren't going to look at you funny.

Blah. </RANT>
Dec. 29th, 2003 01:15 am (UTC)
*chuckles* I think you've experienced the 'dark-side' of the gothic subculture and have missed the entire section of us that the article I quoted was talking about. ;)

Next time you're in the San Francisco Bay Area, look me up and I'll take you out on the town for a night.

Oh, and go check http://www.digitalgoth.com/... That's what I do in my spare time.

Dec. 28th, 2003 08:33 am (UTC)
oh christ, just what we need, a digital version of this crap. oh well, its better than the last one the trib did...
Dec. 28th, 2003 04:05 pm (UTC)
Please tell me you are not talking about the one I was in?



I hated that article the day I read it. I was misquoted several times, and photos were taken all around town for a week, but the one night i go to club which wasn't as common as it is now was featured as the front cover of the Trib. After that I got questions like, "How does it feel to be the focal point of the goth community?" My reply was "But I'm not even goth."
Dec. 29th, 2003 08:03 pm (UTC)
Did you see the editorial letter that the Tribune received about you?

A Gothic complaint

I've become accustomed to exploitational and sensational media in New Mexico, but the stereotyping engaged in the article ("James," Tribune, Feb. 6) in which you follow young James Roach to a local club for Goth Night is a bit much.

I don't know when living "the Goth lifestyle" - not that your reporter seemed to make any effort into broadening the readers' understanding of that term - became a diagnosis, but I assure you the term "Goth" is not listed in the DSM-IV as a mental disorder.

The "Gothic lifestyle" can arguably be defined a subculture, and while it might be scary or intimidating to some, I've generally found more tolerance in the "Goth" subculture than I have in many others. . . .

Roach is, indeed, the exception to the rule, and most of the people at Euphoria and Insomnia are balanced, friendly people whose only apparent shortcoming is giving The Tribune another occasion to engage in its usual disservice to the community of Albuquerque. Perhaps Roach finds the Goth community endearing because of the general lack of judgment within it. . . .

Chris Dufek

Santa Fe

It was included in this article: http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news02/021902_news_kidlets.shtml

Dec. 29th, 2003 08:13 pm (UTC)
and the letter directly after the one I quoted. (from fro)

Dec. 29th, 2003 08:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah I liked the one Fro wrote better. Of course the one Chris wrote. I don't know if he went to club or insomnia at all cause anyone who had wouldn't have called any of those people balanced at best. I mean look at Dark Heart for example. I didn't belong to NMGoth yet at that point, so I have no idea what happened during that time, but I heard it was a huge flame war. Meh it was all just stupid. A year later the lady who did the article called me, and wanted to do a year after story. My reply was "A year after what? There is no year after cause I was diagnosed when I was 9. A year after would be 10. You are late, and are only looking for another goth story to sell pages." I remember what I said to her cause I was pissed at her for all the mis-quotes, and turning a good story into something that in the end wasn't about depression, but another life style outside of the norm that I didn't really belong to except for one night out of the week which really isn't belonging.

Except for my icon.
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