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Look at even one page of these and then justify this "War on Terror" to me.

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Feb. 3rd, 2005 02:01 am (UTC)
is that the "war" that's "over"?
Feb. 3rd, 2005 02:19 am (UTC)
No, it's the 'war' that "we"'re going to "be fighting for quite some time"... at least according to this government...

(no subject) - fanlain - Feb. 3rd, 2005 09:06 am (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 3rd, 2005 06:30 am (UTC)
Don't need to read it to tell ya. BTW this isn't directed at you Xan it’s more of a general statement.

Are you the type of person who likes to hide away in your house from all the dangers of life? Or are you the type of person who stands up for what you believe in and goes out of your house to deal with those who have threatened it?

We have been hiding in our house, thanks to past leadership, for much too long. It’s time to take a stand.

They have already destroyed part of our house! Are you going to wait for them to break into our house again? Then what? Let them burn down our house? I say it is time we take the fight out of our house!

It is time for us to go out and hunt down these elusive enemies. When we catch them we shall either turn them or kill ‘em. Personally, I prefer killing them as they deserve it for disrupting world order and peace, sides it costs less. **

Now, if all you liberals are interested in bringing world peace and creating a global government what the hell are ya'll complaining about!?!?!?

There is no way you can hope to achieve world order and peace without first clearing out those who are going to do their best to stop it. I know people are not foolishly naive enough to think that one day, everybody is just going to hold the hand of the person next to them and start singing... this isn't some old Coke commercial.

It's nice to have the high ideals, however, if you are unwilling to deal with what needs to be done then don't ask questions or complain and let us handle it.

If you say you are willing to deal with it, then you better know what you are getting into, and even then seeing the darkness within humanity will likely leave you scarred and your high ideals will likely no longer seem worth keeping… it’s easy to preach when you haven’t walked through the valley.

So, in conclusion you can see that this is not simply about defending our house, a house our forefather started working on centuries ago. A house we are still working on today, as we all are apart of the process of modernizing and fixing the house. This is about defending those high ideals that our forefathers used as the foundation for our house and that we still hold dear today. This is about creating a new foundation for an even bigger house that will one day include everyone. If our forefathers were able to lay the foundation of our house while under pressure and in a short timetable, I’m certain that with the help of our neighbors we too can lay the foundation for a new house that will include all of us.

**Side note: Then of course that is the main reason I support the death penalty, cause even though I agree with the Democrats, who prefer to give them life (I do agree with torturing them for the rest of their lives), it is not a fiscally wise choice.**
Feb. 3rd, 2005 07:45 am (UTC)
Re: simple
This is about creating a new foundation for an even bigger house that will one day include everyone.

I followed your analogies, I think, until this one. What exactly do you mean by this? Some sort of world government? Or what was on your mind?

Just trying to clarify your opinion in my mind, thanks.

Feb. 3rd, 2005 10:13 am (UTC)
Re: simple
Meaning World order and peace found in a global government. Taking the UN much further essentially, and establishing it as the central government of the world. The name will likely change, as the concept of nations will go to the history books, however, it's just a matter of time.

Of course, there will still need to be smaller governments for each general area, however, it would be wise to slowly remove the concept of nations and nationalism from them and have it bleed over to global. Of course, as humans have a difficult time easily relating to larger and abstract concepts, it will take some time.

*sings* Time is on my side... *remembers the movie Fallen*

Heheh, once there is world order it will begin to make it easier to lead the people toward looking beyond themselves. A task which really will never be accomplished, however, they can better understand the value of working for a cause again; working with a sense of real purpose, to bring that far away concept of world order and peace closer.

*Comes back after prolonged time working and having just remembered that he was writing this*

So, yeah basically, to achieve a global government, you need to clean and pave the way to lay the new foundation. Hence, cleaning out those who would oppose this obviously is the first step.
Feb. 3rd, 2005 08:45 am (UTC)
Re: simple
...that's all well and good, except the 'neighbors' we're protecting our house from, the ones that already toasted part of our home, are across the street - and we're blowing up the house next to that. Then we give money to the two guys who always let their Rottweiler loose in the neighborhood.

Analogies aside, why aren't we going after Afghanistan full-bore? They get lip service while Iraq, who most likely had nothing to do with 9/11, gets an invasion/occupation force. Saudi Arabia, where most of the hijackers came from, haven't had anything happen to them. China, with decades of civil rights violations in the face of the UN, gets billions of dollars of business from the States every year while Cuba is still sanctioned all to hell. China, North Korea, Pakistan, and India all claim to have nuclear weapons and the desire to try them on their neighbors, yet no action is being taken to change that.

So my question is, why did we go after Iraq with barely a hint of WMDs while so many other places deserve our wrath? I have a good idea of what the true answer is, but I'd like to hear what you think.
Re: simple - tcharazazel - Feb. 3rd, 2005 10:43 am (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 3rd, 2005 09:05 am (UTC)
Re: simple
This is about creating a new foundation for an even bigger house that will one day include everyone

How solid of a foundation do you think you can build when you have to be at war and kill everyone in order to have that house? Doesn't that sound exactly like Hitler's house to you? It does to me.
Re: simple - tcharazazel - Feb. 3rd, 2005 11:14 am (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 3rd, 2005 09:39 am (UTC)
Re: simple
Tcharazael, would you mind rephrasing your post in terms of concrete statements rather than windy high-sounding rhetoric? Arguing with someone who refuses to say anything that might be true or false is a waste of time. I can throw other high-sounding rhetoric back at you, but it won't convince anybody of anything they weren't already sure of.

Photos of dead and dismembered people themselves don't prove much, except that people are dying and being dismembered. We knew that. The question is, what should we do? The ideology behind this invasion says that conquering Iraq will prevent despotism abroad and terrorism at home. I think that if this were true, it would justify the actions we are taking; but not only does it seem unlikely, the people directing and executing the invasion do not seem to believe it either. Knowing that people are being burned to death does not help to judge the truth or falsity of this prediction, or of its opposite, that invading Iraq amounts to throwing our future in the trash bin.
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Feb. 3rd, 2005 12:02 pm (UTC)
Re: simple
So, protecting our home justifies this?
Re: simple - tcharazazel - Feb. 3rd, 2005 12:55 pm (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 4th, 2005 11:26 am (UTC)
Re: simple
You are so full of shite, bunny-boy. You just love provoking argument. ***thbbbbt!***
Re: simple - tcharazazel - Feb. 4th, 2005 01:38 pm (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 3rd, 2005 07:51 am (UTC)
Those were extremely difficult images to look at. I stopped looking because I don't want to dull my reaction to violence and pain too much. Where did the images come from, exactly? I mean, are there any captions or context? How do they relate to the War (on) Terror?
Feb. 3rd, 2005 08:11 am (UTC)
They're from my journal. There aren't any captions because I don't know the stories behind the pictures. Most speak for themselves, regardless.

And if you haven't, at least check out page four. Those are some of the best (objectively - there's no way anything like this can be 'good') in the group.
(no subject) - digitalgoth - Feb. 5th, 2005 03:27 pm (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 3rd, 2005 11:19 am (UTC)
And most bloodthirsty Americans (I say most since I live in conservative, head-up-their-asses Oklahoma, so I feel surrounded by them) seem to be thriving on horrific situations like these. There is no justification for this "War on Terror" bullshit; Bush has no sufficient grounds for this to continue, eliminating the fact that he can rely on the overwhelming stupidity of the United States.
Feb. 3rd, 2005 12:36 pm (UTC)
Oklahoma? I'm sorry.
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Feb. 3rd, 2005 01:15 pm (UTC)
Heheh, well that reminds me of a joke I heard once. Paraphrasing, the US is like a class of 30 students with 5 people being the smartest and 5 the dumbest and the rest are in between. What makes me wonder even more is that the average IQ is 100 (using the old method, not including all these new ways to determine IQ or different types of IQ, ie emotional IQ ect). And the fact that most people don't have an IQ of 100. Thus, most people are below 100 and some are above it. Rather scary thought... Threadwalker put up a link to some of the most amusing posters, several relate to stupidity also, so I bet you would like 'em heres the link:

If you don't like stupid people, I'm really surprised that you don't like war. It's one of the best means of eliminating stupid people. Ship them over seas to fight and die for a cause they don't really understand, but they do understand that they will get paid for it. *chuckle* The lack of a war is one of the defining things about our generation as every generation for quite some time has had at least 1 war during their life time. Without some means of eliminating the weak, how do you propose we remove the stupid people?

As for the war, well, it seems to me that you are looking at the small picture. So, maybe if you keep an open mind and look at the probable outcomes and eventual result of a war on terror, ect then you may begin to see a larger plan at work.

*chuckle* If you only look at how people string along the sheep, you are getting blinded yourself from seeing what can happen.
Re: Stupidity - threadwalker - Feb. 4th, 2005 11:49 am (UTC) - Expand
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