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So there was an article in today's paper about how the wonderful state of California might be lowering the legal voting age to 14. 14!!! Votes from ages 14-15 would be counted as 1/4th of a vote, and votes from 16-17 year olds would be 1/2 of a vote...
Full article here.

Other top stories today included:
Bush went on Arab television Wednesday in an effort to limit the diplomatic damage from the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers, offering no direct apology but saying the mistreatment "does not represent the America that I know."

story here

as well as:
Picasso's 1905 painting "Boy with a Pipe" sold for $104 million Wednesday at Sotheby's, breaking the record for an auctioned painting.

story here


I post these three things not to educate you, my readers, on the news, I post them because I am curious about your opinions on the subjects.

Should 14 year olds be allowed to vote?
Should Bush have apologised?
Why did a piece of canvas smothered in color sell for more money than 95% of the american populace will ever see?

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Comments

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hatchling
May. 6th, 2004 04:13 pm (UTC)
I dont know about 14 year olds, but 16. The ones that would bother to vote would be the ones that would bother to be educated on the issues.

Bush most deffinitely should have apologised.

..the thrid one's lost on me.
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vara_design
May. 6th, 2004 05:54 pm (UTC)
wow. the topic of 14 year olds being able to vote took me off guard. i have a lot to say on the matter, but i'll try to condense my thoughts. i think the most notable part of any of that article was this:

Art Croney, a lobbyist for the Committee on Moral Concerns, said young teens don't have the life experience to be voters and do not have "legal responsibility for their own lives." A teen's vote could be "susceptible to peer pressure, even a rock or a rap song," he said.

i could add for an eternity as to more reasons why they should not be allowed to vote, but i wouldn't want to drone on. i think this topic is good, b/c it means that we should be looking at another issue; i recall that when i was 18 i voted for the first time in a presidential election. i really knew a very minimal amount about politics, and remember feeling very awkward as i cast my vote. i knew even then that whatever decision i made it wasn't fully logical, b/c i did not know how to follow the issues in our government and determine which were the most important. this was at 18. so, i began to feel that they're looking at the wrong issue- we shouldn't be trying to get them to vote; we should be teaching them how our gov't works, what politics are important, how it effects us as a whole, etc. children of that age really have no idea. Not to mention that our public school systems are not teaching our children the importance. i think it's great that kids are taking an interest in the importance of voting; now we just need to teach them how to make an educated vote, so that when they're adults, and logical thinkers, they can make a more educated decision. i would never wish for our country to accept a 14 year olds vote.

as far as bush, that does not surprise me. he should definitely give an apology. more so, i wish to see the members that committed these horrible acts give an international apology. they're disgraceful.
anemone
May. 6th, 2004 06:22 pm (UTC)
1. I think 14 year-olds voting is fine. It might even be a good idea, since then it would make "how the government works" class more meaningful if at the end, one could cast a vote that mattered. But I'm not going to push for it either way.

2. I've been avoiding this as much as possible. But, given what I haven't been able to avoid hearing, yes, I think so. Someone high up has to say "Look, we really screwed up, and to show it, we're doing X, Y, and Z." The people with the power to stop this have to admit they messed up for there to be any hope that it's stopped.

3. I don't get art. I think part of it is a status thing.
wvwdarkladywvw
May. 7th, 2004 02:20 pm (UTC)
in 8th grade its manitory that you go threw the consitiution.
12 grade its manitory that you go threw US History.
and threw all them years looky with that ive done with my spelling...
5th grade the first year that sex edu is tought...
*just random info*
tymeschizm
May. 7th, 2004 08:18 am (UTC)
1) i'm ok with any 13+ year olds having a vote. as long as that vote is by secret ballot still, AND it is also a full vote. none of this dicking around with 1/4 and 1/2 votes. that's saying "hey! you are only really 1/4 a citizen of the united states!" i think that saying a vote, ANY vote, doesn't count as much as another person's vote devalues the whole system.

2)bush should get down on his knees and beg forgivness from the entire world (including the rest of america) for fucking up so badly in the last 4 years. but should he have apologized for the torture of iraqi prisoners? yeah. what would be even more impressive? actually putting said torture to a stop.

3) if a person has that money, and it makes them happy to spend it on said "piece of canvas smothered in color" (which happened to be smothered by the recognized greatest artist of the 20th century, a man who's art effected millions of people, pissed off hitler, and sent most of the artistic community into apoplectic shock), then i don't really care. it's not my buisness. electronic media now allow that work to be shared with millions more people, so if some silly tot with more money than they know what to do with buys the original... who cares?
datamoon
May. 7th, 2004 08:56 am (UTC)
lower the legal voting age? 14 is a bit young, but i do remember being educated about the candidates when i was that age. the only argument i have for lowering the voting age is when somebody would turn 18 during the voting year, but has their bday at the end of the yr, so still isnt old enough by the time it's time to vote. in that case, i think its fair to allow those ppl to vote bc theyre just about 18 anyway. anyway, isnt voting a federal thing? are they allowed to chg the age in just one state and thats it?

of course bush should apologize. a mistake was made by the ppl he leads, the ppl he's the commander in chief of. it's what any good president would do. and as far as wars go, he's done the best job of it than any president yet.

who cares how much a picasso was sold for? it's in private ownership, and if they have the money, they can do whatever they want w/it.
wvwdarkladywvw
May. 7th, 2004 01:54 pm (UTC)
hrm.. well when i was 14 i'd had been working on campains for about 2 years for a local guy. i knew for the most part what was up in the local political world.
at the same time though i looked around myself and i saw that my fellow piers lived in a shoebox. I knew that they didnt know nor did they care. They are impressiable based on what ever biast their teachers were and parents. Peoples view of law and goverment change dramantically from 14 to 18.
im very mixed in this. however, i dont think any one person should be counted as less then a whole.. its demening.... i wonder how they deal with it in other countries? have other places tryed it in the world? taxation with out repensentation is a horrible thing. so no i dont believe that 14 year olds should be allowed to vote. However. i would agree to 17 year old be allowed to vote. High school senoirs do know whats going on in the world. they do begine to learn how california works in the world circit and how the us works. thus the other question is that do they vote forthemselfs or are they rebelling for their own identies if that makes any sort of sense..
Going off.. what to do for the child working? there are very very strick labor laws for that. i believe their voices should be heard. even though their hours and they can make should theorically fall under the tax laws.. or well what should be reported. i think they should petition more.. they can get it on a bellot. as a full member of sociality. and hell if the adults are just passing it off as just kids then write to the senitors. dont put your age on it. localize and write banner pass paplets.....
wvwdarkladywvw
May. 7th, 2004 02:16 pm (UTC)
the war in iraq isnt very shocking. yes we torture the enemy no, not all military agree with it. why is it shocking? are they all enemys? no some of them where just at the wrong place wrong time. some of them are just really nasty fuckers..... some of them are trying to protect thier homes from the foreign bastards that come over and pulled another vietnom. while their dictartor was just up as another Stallen.. pulling people and killing them in the night. at least everything was in one piece. people had power, energy, water, shealter..
bush is going to lie either way. what did ever happen to saddam? i dont know i lost track with news. yes saddam is a really nasty guy. he had a system their was order the people tip toes around him and they where fine. now their entier world is chaos and well i kinda see in my own opinion that the pouplous is being shoved up aginst the wall.
bush has already made a huge fucking mess.. i feel a little bit better knowing that their isnt mess weapons of destuction. but i dont think it was worth how many people being killed over it?
by bush saying what he did say. shows america all to well.. for the most part i dont think we can amit we are wrong.
yes were sneaky. no were not the piece keepers of the world anymore. in the past the enemy came up knocked on our doors (world war 1 and 2) it awoke a sleeping giant. can this giant though be put back asleep this time though. that is the real question. is the world turned on its self?
the world is humpy dumpty can it be put back together again.
no i dont like bush. hes not the best person at all in the office. (voted for nader) hes made more of a mess then clintion ever did *no wouldnt want him back either* he lied with a target much bigger then leinski's dress and its soooo much more noticable. i think he should be inpeached. he lied he lies. how and why is he still in office? why the heck is he still able to run for yet another term!
fanlain
May. 7th, 2004 07:02 pm (UTC)
i can just hear my right wing PA family now:

those freaky californians :OP always have to go be doin' stuff all the time like they have terminator as their governmor whaddaythey know about maturity?
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